Another review on the kitchen faucet "3 in 1" withthe ability to connect the filter. Although one “type Swiss manufacturer” calls it a single lever kitchen mixer with the function of connecting a water filter system
This mixer is bought if you decide to buy a filtration system, but do not want to install a separate tap for filtered water (most often, design damage)
And how it works
But, there are normal mixers, and there are cheap ones, where a rubber tube or water supply through a rubber hose is used as a system for supplying filtered water.
So far, this manufacturer has sent only a quality product, let's see how this time.
thinking out loud
I do not have huge statistics on problems, sohow firms appear and disappear, as well as their quality and “goodness” of the model, and even all kinds of “revisions”, when the filling or quality can change over time (my motherboard has become 100 megabits instead of 1000, but only put a new one in the laptop)
“Model success” refers to a company that has been on the market for 100 years, with a decent price tag (GROHE, Gustavsberg, ORAS and others) and they have one and the same part broken quite often.
For example, this divertor (switch,dive - someone as you like more) I have already changed 5 times in a year, provided that there are probably only 10 of them in the area and as I say the owners “only 6-18 months have passed). The price of the order of 1500 under the order (I just change, this is in the words of buyers). Although someone has it for 10 years. Worse to do or just someone out of luck - a mystery.
The gum (sly) begins to flow, which in the service center costs about 1000 rubles (replacement).
So, as lucky here.
Yes, and this is how a mixer might look like.
Therefore, do not shout at the sight of the Chinesemixer, just need to understand that there is a "grandfather lao" who in the same way and offline sells goods for 1000r, and there are good manufacturers. Still, we are already used to buying expensive Chinese phones. The same “Czech” zorg writes:
As for the mixers from China, then there are already happy owners and not only.
Personally, I was faced with the fact that, receiving goods onreview (more than half was not published, as laziness or the product turned out to be a complete slag), said that the cheaper - the worse the quality, but it does not affect the positive reviews. For example, a frankly lousy mixer comes to me - and he has 200 positive reviews and no bad ones. And one thing is when you need to change the cartridge, because it makes noise and this is the only negative, and quite another, when there is a gap everywhere and no one began to get dirty with polishing / grinding or crookedly threading. And if I find fault with this, people think that "and so it will come for this money." Just from different vendors, the same mixer can be bought for 3000r and for 5000r having received different quality.
I have mixers at home (although some orsold, or donated) this store, it is worth their redlightgreen.org/blog/aliexpress/47801.html dispenser, although I was told “why take it for 800 if it will rot like that for 300r” but for some reason it does not rot for the second year, only soap I am changing. And even the Multimode Lake has not yet broken down and is not “plugged”. But this is only my experience with my pipes, pressure, water. Therefore, all IMHO.
I like the store because “probably !!!” many products can be found offline, as well as the mixer from this review, but with a price of about 2 times cheaper (but this is not accurate).
There is of course a difference, it is at least not colored.packaging, well, "according to the information I have, in those that for 10k - there is a more expensive cartridge." Although, for some reason, it is not visible to rem kits from the “Czech” ZORG that they would put super cartridges, and the crane of the axle box will be easier than the one you’ll see. And this kit is only 1100r.
As I was told, there are some companies that make the design with all the schemes / drawings, so to speak, "turnkey". It remains to buy the right / patent for manufacturing and you can rivet yourself.
When I told the seller - enter the Russian market as an official brand, he said that we should have the right to sell this design in the territory of the Russian Federation.
Since “well, very similar” mixers are already sold in the Russian Federation, it cannot enter our market (or rather, but + taxes + all rights / licenses and prices will not be so sweet), according to his words.
Although they began to make an engraving on a part of their products, I received 4 different mixers and all had laser engraving: SMESITELI.
I do not know how much he has goods and whatassortment in warehouses in the Russian Federation, but this one came to me quickly, even very much, all yes 5 days. I do not remember whether I agreed to the delivery or not, but after work I took it myself. Fortunately, the delivery is now in the center (for local people - the Globus store near the “children's world”).
Package is packed as usual with this seller.- cardboard rectangle in a pair of layers of pimples and rewound everything with scotch tape. What would it all be whole, inside a lot of polyethylene foam (in the photo without the top layer, it can be seen from the side)
This time, no instructions. But I don’t have it when I asked for a photo - they sent them to me
All sizes and explosion schemes will be useful.
Inside, as I said, just a mixer, 2 hoses with nuts 1/2 "by 60cm and a box with accessories.
Aerators, Mounts, Fittings
But inside the box, a bit different equipment. In the "gift" is not only a couple of fittings and fumlenta (to be honest, I do not know why the seller puts the fum tape, since everything is assembled without using it, only complete elastic bands)
but now, these are 2 adapters 3/8 "to 1/2". Why - a mystery. You can usually find a “European” mixer with hoses at 3/8 (at 99.9% I met in the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus - 1/2 is used “in apartments) and you need to buy an adapter from 1/2” to 3/8 ”, but not vice versa.
The imported mixer with nuts on 3/8 was actually bought, there are 1/2 adapters on the counters:
Well, okay, we will assume that this equipment was designed for a European buyer, where it is easier to meet 3/8
Fum tape, spare gum for aerator and spare aerator.
Eraser under the faucet from the top side, fastening the faucet from the bottom of the sink, gum for fastening the bottom.
1-2 fittings for filters.
2 - 2 adapters 3/8 "on 1/2"
Well and the lowest - fastening which acts as a drinking pipe.
Fixture mixer, at the same time and the pipeline for filtered water. Length almost 10cm. Diameter 10mm, wall thickness 3mm. That would not grind, the factory cast a hollow shape, and then cut the thread.
And here he is against the background of a simpler mixer stud.
The nut itself is 19mm long, and the thread has to14mm, on the edges of 14mm. I suspect that one side partially has no thread - so that it would be easier to profit in a confined space (if the sink is already mounted and there are stupid sinks where the overflow interferes)
On the reverse side, the thread that is screwed into the mixer - has the same dimensions (diameter, etc.) as a normal hose.
In a review on a cheaper mixer likeof the plan, from another manufacturer on “Ali”, I wrote that the drinking water hose “is a controversial decision” and in the comments one of the users complained about the smell of rubber.
This mixer also has the abilitydrinking water connections - through a hose (you need another fixing of the mixer to the sink, you can separately buy it for 100 rubles). But the seller continues to sell better performance, which would be less complaints from buyers (I think that for the same reason the price is higher) and thus maintains a good reputation, does not run for profit, saving on everything that is possible.
Here, about this mount - photos from neta.
Also, it comes with 2 options for connecting drinking water.
With a 1/2 "thread and 1/4 with a cap nut. In both options - inside there is a sealing ring, the entire installation eliminates any kind of winding or sealant / glue
As for 1/4 ", it seems to me more reliable thanthe collet, since it was encountered that the connection was pulled out of the collet with it (it is in the photo). But on the other hand, the filter is also a collet. So - who likes what.
The mounting plate is the same as before.
Comparison of the mounting plate with the DAMIXA plate(it is smaller). The plate at this mixer really liked, it is thicker than the local Chinese, I could not bend it. In general, fasteners are very cool. The thickness of 3mm, almost no magnet, did not work out (you can of course hold it in a vice with a hammer, but this is too much).
Fumlenta (gift) for lovers. Not only is she not needed here at all, so also thin. But I confess, once I used it at home, not with plumbing, but I shook something. knowingly lay so long
Well, the adapters themselves are 3/4 "to 1/2"
"Default" is a metal aeratormesh. Included is a spare plastic and a spare rubber band. The metal is put “as it should be according to design”, and not at the whim of the seller, who supplies the metal - I don’t know, not Neoperl for sure. In metal there is a minus - what would have gone bubbles - you need to do more pressure.
As for the plastic - it is the easiest and also not Neoperl, although it looks like a model PERLATOR HONEYCOMB.
They just understand.
With metal it may look more solid, but I love plastic (it's easier for me to disassemble and clean from small debris).
Well, once started talking about aerators - that's drinking. Aerator, with the possibility of refinement.
You can see a certain analogue of the "asterisk". There you can put rezinochku (photo below - from another aerator)
and get a "flow limiter".
It works like this:
Here is another photo
As for the hoses, they are the same as before, standing in my washstand and in the kitchen. For fun, the kitchen has 1 Chinese and 1 Russian. Both show themselves on the good side.
Also, this time, the hoses are a bit different from the outside - got the “sus 304” marking on the nuts and “2017.xt” on the crimping under the nut. The gum is thick, sits very tight, but does not interfere with the nut spinning.
I found no other differences compared to those that came earlier. Also, the “sus 304” marking explains why in the past tests there was white metal that did not rust. Here are these cuts:
Sawed Chinese and local "aqualine" LLC "NEVA" from the Russian Federation which is also ROSNO type insured up to 100 degrees and up to 20bar.
I want to note that the nut was sawed in Chinesenoticeably more difficult, and the cut is white. Well, I threw it into the salt concentrate, just in case. But the "Aqualine" nut from brass, cut yellow and sawed much faster. I suppose that the Chinese - stainless steel. Since they are both heavy by weight.
Further it can be seen that the “nut stop”the Chinese are a bit fatter. But it does not matter where the main thing is that the inserts are not plastic, but brass. The Chinese have a little bit longer fittings, but already with a diameter.
At the other end, the Chinese have 2 rubber bands (more precisely, 2landing for them, since I needed the elastic bands on the other hose), and the RF has only 1 (it was wrapped with a fum tape, since the hoses were paired with several mixers and the elastic bands were damaged)
In my practice, I will say that there is not much difference. But 2 gum calm, at least 2 attempts)
The instructions usually write not to use anything for winding.
and believe in the tightness of rubber bands. And at 99.9% does not leak anything (no, sometimes you get really miserable mixers, where you also have to reel), but you can smear with silicone to be sure. In hard-to-reach places, I twist the hose, and when I tighten the nuts on the pipeline, I hold the hose so that it does not turn. Even the Chinese both hoses are the same as the twins.
So this time (probably already about 725 times, butyou must be sure what you are doing, do not force anyone, and if you are not sure, use a key) I twisted the hoses without using keys and the Chinese hoses pleased me more than something that comes with not expensive mixers or is sold separately. The fact is that the braid in Chinese compresses the fittings more tightly and it turns out to be tightened with great tightening force.
When it came to the insides of the hose, I first armed myself with a knife. and then got the "engraver"
Just like a rubber hose, even with pliers did not want to move under the braid.
The rubber hose itself didn’t cause any doubts, it couldn’t break 2mm, all kinks and even “bites with pliers” survived with dignity.
Earlier, I wrote that part of the nuts and crimps from the normal and “Chinese hose was thrown into the salt concentrate.
After two days, the result: everything is gorgeous.
None of the nut or piece of metal oxidationor rust - not detected. I dare to conclude that the stainless steel in both hoses is used to crimp fittings, and the Chinese also make nuts from it, and by weight they are far from aluminum or its alloys.
Well, out of boredom, I checked their pressure. I would like to note that the hose was twisted by hand (turned the nut with the key) into the body of the mixer, only poslyunyavil - that would have better gum slip in the body. And nothing leaks.
Pumped up 16 bar / atm. and left from 17:00 to 7:30. While shook - the arrow went beyond the limits of measurement. In the photo - as I went home.
In the morning, nothing has changed.
But these produce them, or rather the hoses themselves withoutfittings, since the production process of fittings is almost not noticeable, machines that grind, saw, drill and count the number + man who puts them into the box and inserts the workpiece into the machine.
Well, now you can go to the inspection and disassembly.
I'll start with the edges and surface treatment. I like it. Angles seem to be sharp, but to hurt your hands is difficult. A certain “patina” also pins.
Photos are clickable and you can zoom in and out yourself.
At the bottom of the case, there is a decorative part. On the previous mixers, I unscrew it, this time I did not succeed the first time and then I did not try.
Also, I noted in advance with red arrows, the ability to put a “non-native” attachment to the sink, apparently this is part of the “unification of production” when the casing is made for different models.
In the same place the sealing ring is inserted (withside of the sink), but since I test on a flimsy sink (for it, granite would be ideal), there could be a gap between the mixer and the sink. Then it will be necessary to cut the protrusion from the ring, so that it does not protrude wider than the groove in which it is inserted.
Understands very simple, especially surprised how everything is thought out, but more on that below.
I started with a spout, although I was no longer interested, since such a design was in the last review. But the body had familiar outlines and it seemed to me that it was one for several models.
And if earlier I unscrewed 6 side-faces, then there is nothing like this, everything is “licked”.
For this reason, there used to be a calculation like this - on the right side, ordinary water, on the left side - drinking water. If you put the opposite - flaunted screw that held the spout (for aesthetes).
Then this time - there are no screws, you can put it under any hand.
And to remove the spout - it is necessary to unscrew the nut. Not everyone notices her.
Turn off easily, as long as the hands do not slip.
In general, the design, as in the past mixer.
We take out the spout and we can observe abundantlygreased gum. It costs them 2pcs, how much better it is than 1 or 3 - I will not argue, but let them be. There is also a white ring - a stopper, without it the spout is pulled out even without spinning the nut.
If you remove the snap ring and squeeze the nut holding the mixer, you can observe the following picture:
If you look at the body, you can see thatthe part that holds the spout is screwed separately. That is why I suppose that the case is “universal” and depending on the shape of the spout and its attachment or something else, a different insert is put.
Whatever the gum does not spoil during insertion -chamfering everywhere. Naturally, I tried to unscrew this insert (I want to say in advance that the insert is not in contact with water and its tightness is not important). But I did not work out, planted on anaerobic glue.
And here you can see the channels for water. Central / 2 small - filtered water. On the side of a large -pipe.
Then I began to disassemble the body, started from the side of the handle responsible for the flow of filter water.
From the back side he removed a plastic cap, under it a hexagon.
Under the cover here:
The faucet itself is screwed into the extension adapter. Everywhere everything is beautiful, smooth and there are rubber seals.
Crane bush is not collapsible (no, you can trywith a hammer, but it did not work out for me). It looks like a sedal 19MC01, but the seller honestly admits it is a different brand. The handle / stem stroke is just 90º for a more comfortable opening. Although the color of the metal is like a stainless steel (and there is such a series), in this case it is chrome-plated brass.
Then I took off the tap of the tap water. In the same way, we pull off the plastic cap and twist it with the hexagon.
Here are the sizes of the pen against the background of the usual „credit card“. The handle is completely made of brass.
Under the handle:
The funny thing is that even a decorative brass cap.
Then the nut that holds the cartridge - also made of brass
The cartridge itself is the same as before was in the reviews of this manufacturer. I have no claims against him.
The seller promised that in the future he will betsedal cartridges (Italy type) and even was interested in "what I think about installing KEROX cartridges" (Hungary type). He even offered to additionally send a new cartridge, but I refused. As I understand it, it will stand (photo sent by the seller)
As for the landing under the cartridge, then everything is fine with it.
And now again - we collect everything and it remains only to look at the spout, the part where the aerators are screwed.
Small hole - under the drinking, large - underplumbing. Also, the final part - cast and soldered to the main part of the spout. The strip (arrow pointed) is most likely a solder joint. There are also decorative bevels on the reverse side.
In short - some advantages.
If you draw the cons "behind the ears", then probably - a simple aerator that makes noise. You can already hear how it sucks in air)) For drinking water, I liked the aerator.
The conclusions that I made for myself
+ I really liked the mixer for its quality.
+ Everything is “standard” and there will be no problems if some kind of gum is erased.
+ Fastening quality / thick / large.
+ No need for a separate tap under the filter
+ Quality hoses
+ Very, very convenient installation and does not require special knowledge (and tools, too, everywhere sealing gum) and without mats.
+ I liked the aerator on the drinking one, the water does not splash (if you turn on 2 water to the full extent at once - it will be trash in the sink)
± Weight, because of which the second controversial point.
± Heavy and poorly fixed / flimsy sink can stagger (Ideally on a grenade or not the thinnest stainless steel)
± High, no problem with washing a big mountaindishes or pots / pans (previously, we had to wash them in parts), but not any sink will “like” and will have to get used to if they were only low before, because of this it splashes differently.
± Perhaps over the years, the coating will be damaged by pots / pans. There are no problems in the washbasin with a coating, even chlorine soaps are alive.
± May have to trim the O-ring.
-Simple aerators - it is necessary to open the water "not to the full extent" so as not to splash, well, or I just have a very good water pressure.